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undorgre
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| Buster Olney was just on ESPN and he claimed the two teams that made the waiver claims on Ibanez and Washburn are the Twins and Tigers (although he was not aware of which team claimed which player). He said nothing about the Cardinals. Olney indicated we should find out more detail later this afternoon. |
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murph
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| undorgre wrote: |
| Buster Olney was just on ESPN and he claimed the two teams that made the waiver claims on Ibanez and Washburn are the Twins and Tigers (although he was not aware of which team claimed which player). He said nothing about the Cardinals. Olney indicated we should find out more detail later this afternoon. |
If the Twins and Tigers made the claims, they were never offered to the NL. |
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Edmonds_Owns_CF
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| murph wrote: |
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| Buster Olney was just on ESPN and he claimed the two teams that made the waiver claims on Ibanez and Washburn are the Twins and Tigers (although he was not aware of which team claimed which player). He said nothing about the Cardinals. Olney indicated we should find out more detail later this afternoon. |
If the Twins and Tigers made the claims, they were never offered to the NL. |
The Tigers would make sense, I was thinking that it was odd no AL teams at least put in a claim on him.
As far as Furcal and Cabrera... a has been with a potentially career threatening back injury and a self indulged cry baby who appears to be a shell of his former self, but still wants top dollar?
If we want a veteran SS for next season besides Izturis, i'd see if the Tigers would ship us Renteria. The guy flat out sucks in the AL, Detroit would probably trade him for a song at this point.
Otherwise, if Cesar can hit about how he has the last few weeks... has he really been that bad this year?
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Tulcard
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I'm pleased that we are not in the market for Washburn....With the money we have from players who will not retuning next season (Izzy, Mulder, etc.) It wouldn't hurt my feelings to try (at least make an attempt) to sign Sabathia....just a pipe dream but you don't know till you try....
I'll go out on a limb and predict we'll re-sign Izturis....and put the additional money toward Ankiel, Ludwick, Springer and starting pitching.... |
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DefLeppard4Ever
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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According to the Seattle Post, Mariners pitcher Jarrod Washburn has been claimed by the Cardinals.
http://elismlbrumors.com/ |
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ozarkbird
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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whoops, double post
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ozarkbird
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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The Seattle Post never said that, they only quoted somebody else about the prior rumor in an article that was last updated at midnight:
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| "I'm still trying to find out who made the claim on me," Washburn said, adding he'd been told it might have been the St. Louis Cardinals. |
The Cardinals are always a suspect when it comes to lefty starters just because they've been without one for a couple of years, but there's nothing more to it than that. |
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Waino50
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Why is everyone so high on Furcal? He's injury prone and will ask for three times what he's worth. I have my fingers crossed for Orlando Cabrera. |
I'd pass on both of those two, but I realize that there's not a ton of options at SS.
BTW, Washburn has a 3.30 ERA over his last ten starts. Duncan doesn't have to do too much to "straighten him out". If you'll look at his stats over his last ten games, you'll see that he's averaging almost 7 innings per game with only one poor start. |
The stats to me don't look bad. If Dunc could help him a little he could be come a good pitcher. He used to be pretty good.
The idea scares me though cause he could be coming to take Carp's place. Or we could bring him to put Looper back in the pen. I hope he is coming to let Lopper go to the pen.
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Avenge02
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Looper to the pen is an awful idea. Regardless of how this makes you feel, he is currently our best starting pitcher. |
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murph
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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According to Ken Rosenthal, the deadline to get a deal done was a 1:30 Thursday.
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| Both Ibanez and Washburn were claimed on waivers Tuesday, according to major-league sources. The claiming teams are not yet known, but the Mariners have until 1:30 p.m. Thursday to work out a deal with those respective clubs. |
[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8446822/Sources:-M's-Washburn,-Ibanez-claimed-on-waivers]Link[/url]
I'm not sure how he knows that, since this information is supposed to protected like the U.S. nuclear codes.
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Waino50
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Looper to the pen is an awful idea. Regardless of how this makes you feel, he is currently our best starting pitcher. |
I don't think so. By saying Looper goes back to the pen that means that Carp is back. We then have a rotation of:
Carp
Lohse
Welly
Washburn
Peneiro
That isn't bad. If Carp is back and pitches how we have seen he still can is a fine ace. Lohse has been solid and shown he can be consistent in giving us quality starts. Welly has pitched fine and kept us in games. Just what we wanted him to do. Washburn can give quality starts for Seatlle in the AL he can in the NL plus a better offense behind him. Peneiro hasn't been the best but is ok not a bad 5 starter.
Another advantage I see to putting Looper in the pen is that Waino can work back to be a starter. He then takes Peneiro's spot. Peneiro can go to AAA and we can call up another reliever giving us more depth in the pen.
If Looper does struggle in the pen or we need Waino to close game they can then switch spots. |
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tkienz
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Link
He's not coming to St. Louis. Read the attached link. a deal like this wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense anyway, given his performance over the past few years and the size of his contract. |
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Rolen27fan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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That's too bad. I had hope we'd bring him in. I've wanted him a Cardinal for awhile. His W-L numbers are poor, but he is a solid starter, and W-L is a team dependent stat. During Anaheim's World Series year, he won 18 games. And he's actually a starter, meaning we won't have to be pulling him out after 5 innings, like it seems we do with 3/5ths of our rotation.
I went from excitement to disappointment rather quickly.
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DefLeppard4Ever
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I kinda wanted him too. We need a lefty starter. |
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murph
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WASHBURN RUMOR
The Cardinals did not put a waiver claim in on Seattle lefty Jarrod Washburn, multiple industry sources said, refuting speculation made by the pitcher as reported in the Seattle Times.
Washburn has $13 million remaining on his contract through 2009, and he is 5-12 this season with a 4.58 ERA.
"I’m still trying to find out who made the claim on me," Washburn told the Seattle paper, adding that it "might have" been the Cardinals.
A Cardinals source said that in the team’s discussion of pitchers to acquire, Washburn’s "name never came up." Mozeliak declined to comment because league rules prohibit discussing waivers publicly.
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