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chevyman58
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I had true, legitimate hopes that Barack Obama would be a change, like he claimed he would be. However, we've learned that he's just another politician.
I wish he's stood up early in his Presidency and said, I'm not passing anything with earmarks and pork and sent some bills back to Congress. He said he didn't like it, but he had no problem signing his signature to it. |
Particularly since that's what he promised he would do, repeatedly & emphatically, in virtually every debate & campaign speech the last 6 months of the campaign. Not just "some bills", he specifically said he would "veto every earmark, we will change the way business is done in Washington" & on & on & on & on .............. Then he approved SEVERAL HUNDRED BILLION in earmarks & pork in the Stimulus II & Bailout Bills, then allowed Reid to go behind closed doors & give SEVERAL HUNDRED BILLION more to the unions, Nebraska & Louisiana in the Health Care Bill. I'm not sure how OVER HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS of earmarks & pork is ok & accepted by even his staunchest supporters, but apparently the argument of Obama's Great & Bush Sucks is just a carbon copy of McGwire's Great & Bonds Sucks. The script Axelrod's reading all over the place is as comical as the one Mac read to Costas. I'm obviously stupid as I'll never get it, we're to just accept the explanation that those of us disappointed in Obama are so simply because we're ignorant & biased.
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McCain says he'll support Obama budget-cutting
Sen. John McCain says he will support President Barack Obama's effort to cut federal spending, but that it won't work unless Obama shows a willingness to veto pork-barrel spending.
McCain: Cut the Pork |
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CardinalJayhawk
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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A line-item veto would solve the whole "I had to accept the pork to get the things we needed" excuse wouldn't it? Then we could put all the blame where it needs to be.
I have to be honest I haven't actually read all of every one of these bills so I can't actually comment on what makes up several hundred billion in pork.
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Redbird4Ever
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| CardinalJayhawk wrote: |
A line-item veto would solve the whole "I had to accept the pork to get the things we needed" excuse wouldn't it? Then we could put all the blame where it needs to be.
I have to be honest I haven't actually read all of every one of these bills so I can't actually comment on what makes up several hundred billion in pork. |
Clinton tried it...not constitutional! |
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chevyman58
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Pork, it's what's for dinner ...................... |
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chevyman58
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Special legislative favors, especially one designed to secure a Nebraska senator's vote for the embattled health care package, ignited so much public outrage that President Barack Obama is calling them a mistake and House leaders say the bill can't be resurrected unless such sweetheart deals are scrapped.
Obama says Americans were understandably upset by the backroom dealmaking that he called ugly. In a cruel twist, the reaction helped elect a Republican senator in Massachusetts last week, putting the health legislation in peril.
"We've got to get rid of that Nebraska stuff, we've got to get rid of the Louisiana stuff," Clyburn said, referring to provisions inserted to help secure the votes of holdout Democratic senators Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana.
Obama, speaking to ABC News this week, said, "I didn't make a bunch of deals." But he acknowledged making "a legitimate mistake" by letting White House and congressional negotiators include the items during last month's closed-door negotiations.
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chevyman58
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Kill the State Pork & Earmarks Mr President, please. Thanks, chevy
President Barack Obama says he wants projects helping specific states yanked from the health care bill Congress is writing. Democratic senators, being senators, beg to differ.
The Senate-approved health measure lawmakers hope to send to Obama soon would steer $600 million over the next decade to Vermont in added federal payments for Medicaid and nearly as much to Massachusetts.
Connecticut would get $100 million to build a hospital. About 800,000 Florida seniors could keep certain Medicare benefits. Asbestos-disease victims in tiny Libby, Mont., and some coal miners with black lung disease or their widows would get help, and there are prizes for Louisiana, the Dakotas and more states. Pork Again
I'm certainly sympathetic to those with specific problems in specific States and the financial problems some States are having. But this is a Federal Health Care Bill. Pass a Bill that's unilaterally applicable across-the-board for all Americans. Then, as necessary, address individual assistance particular States may require by separate actions IMO. |
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Pontus13
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Let me quote what I read on another board about the current bill.
"Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health care plan
~written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it,
~passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,
~to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes,
~with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,
~all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,
~and financed by a country that's broke.
What could possibly go wrong?"
I hope this version doesn't pass, and Congress goes back to the start on health care reform.
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chevyman58
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| Pontus13 wrote: |
I hope this version doesn't pass, and Congress goes back to the start on health care reform. |
IMO if they can't salvage the Bill out of rework of this one - which is a rework of the 1st one - it doesn't get done. Clinton put Hillary in charge of health care reform early in his 1st term. By his 2nd term reform was dead. I think that'll happen again.
However ........... Mr. "I will veto all earmarks" appears to be flopping on that promise ....... again.
Still seeking votes for his proposed health care overhaul, President Barack Obama appears ready to reverse his position and allow unpopular deal-sweetening measures in the hopes of finding Democratic support for legislation whose future will be decided in coming days.
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CardinalJayhawk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Pontus13 wrote: |
Let me quote what I read on another board about the current bill.
"Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health care plan
~written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it,
~passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,
~to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes,
~with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,
~all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,
~and financed by a country that's broke.
What could possibly go wrong?"
I hope this version doesn't pass, and Congress goes back to the start on health care reform. |
Why can't fat people oversee healthcare programs? You have a problem with fat people?
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Pontus13
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Are you a fat person? I've always imagined you looking like a bird for some reason.
The post just pointed out some inconsistencies in this whole process.
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chevyman58
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| CardinalJayhawk wrote: |
Why can't fat people oversee healthcare programs? You have a problem with fat people? |
The Surgeon General should set a reasonable example of keeping him/herself in reasonably responsible health while holding the highest healthcare leadership position within the federal government. Being obese, in the vast majority of cases, is not keeping one's self in reasonably responsible health. Thus, in some opinions, there's a loss of credibility & some failure in leadership responsibility by the Surgeon General being obese. Nobody attacked fat people in general, relax & get yourself a couple donuts on me.  |
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CardinalJayhawk
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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None of those jelly-filled things, thank you.
No one chooses to be obese or a drug addict. I don't believe in the disease concept for addiction. There are many reasons for both but few accept personal resposibility.
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Tulcard
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Hawk....sorry about the Jayhawk loss yesterday. I was pulling for them and they were my pick to go all the way....the outcome was shocking, but the Jayhawks let the opponent control the game. They just didn't take it to them thus the outcome....
Have to disagree here....no one chooses to be obese or a drug addict? You can't be serious....the point is that it IS all about choice....I choose not to eat fast foods....to watch my diet....I choose to exercise....I choose not to do drugs....it is all about personal choices....  |
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chevyman58
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Have to disagree here....no one chooses to be obese or a drug addict? You can't be serious....the point is that it IS all about choice....I choose not to eat fast foods....to watch my diet....I choose to exercise....I choose not to do drugs....it is all about personal choices.... |
+1!, 90+% of the time. There are a few exceptions, but I emphasize few. Both are typically choices. |
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CardinalJayhawk
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Your a lucky person that never makes a poor choice about your life Tulcard. There was a time in my life I was so underweight I literally couldn't walk at times because there wasn't enough fat between the bones in my legs to keep them from rubbing together. I never made a choice to be overweight. You get too "busy" to make time and one day you look in the mirror and you know you screwed up. It's just that simple. Not really a choice. But you did it to yourself all the same.
What was the topic again? 
Yes, my Hawks choked at the wrong time.
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