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chevyman58
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How far do you want to take the personal choice thing. The only differance with being old is most of us hope to be old one day. Not a choice all are looking forward to.
It's not important Chevy.
I've worked with alot of poor and undereducated in my life. I do get rather sarcastic and if you think it's sensational that's fine. It's only because maybe I know sometimes people can only see things when the rediculous is brought up.
I like to think I'm rather generous with both my time and money. I take resposibility for all the decisions I have made in my life. I just want people to think a little outside of themselves and walk in someone elses shoes. Maybe then they will see it isn't always about choice. |
Got it CJ, got it. We were just saying that the Surgeon General oughta make a choice to lose some weight & most extremely fat people are extremely fat because they choose to be, or don't choose not to be. That's what I think & I have experienced in my life of almost 52 years.
I've been self-employed in residential construction for over 15 years. As many have experienced the last couple years have been upside-down years for us, losses substantially exceeded income. Health insurance premiums are the single-biggest expense we have in our household budget, covering 3 of us, even though we have no dental coverage and extremely high individual & cumulative deductibles. So far this year I've spent my entire $8,000 of my deductible, my wife is near $2,000 & I've spent an additional couple thousand on dental & scripts. It just irritates the heck outa me to have to also contribute to the healthcare costs of those who choose not to contribute while choosing to require assistance.
It doesn't irritate me any more than it did to pay for all the homes folks chose to walk away from - driving off with all their stuff in their expensive cars towing their jet skis & boats - but it still irritates me. We've always paid our own way, we'll continue to - regardless of the personal choices & sacrifices required to do so. |
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ABoyNamedSooie
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| The only differance with being old is most of us hope to be old one day. Not a choice all are looking forward to. |
I'm confused, and have been for some time. Please explain how being old is a choice.
No matter how we choose to take care of our bodies and exercise, age is not something we can control. We certainly can't make a choice of whether or not to get old... unless you mean to imply that a person could choose to kill himself before reaching that stage, in which case, 'sensational' is an understatement.
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Rolen27fan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: |
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How far do you want to take the personal choice thing. The only differance with being old is most of us hope to be old one day. Not a choice all are looking forward to.
It's not important Chevy.
I've worked with alot of poor and undereducated in my life. I do get rather sarcastic and if you think it's sensational that's fine. It's only because maybe I know sometimes people can only see things when the rediculous is brought up.
I like to think I'm rather generous with both my time and money. I take resposibility for all the decisions I have made in my life. I just want people to think a little outside of themselves and walk in someone elses shoes. Maybe then they will see it isn't always about choice. |
I'll agree there are some things that aren't necessarily choice. Growing old isn't a choice. Who your parents are isn't a choice. Certain events in your life growing up isn't a choice. There are many others. However, how they affect you is your choice.
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CardinalJayhawk
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Sooie, growing old is a limited choice. Anytime you choose to you can choose to end your life.
Rolen, now we're getting somewhere. You don't get certain choices. Do you think kids that are overweight at 7 or 8 are that way by choice? Is it then just a "simple matter of choice" when as a young adult to then decide to loose weight? Particularly when the health care system discriminates against them. Along with the rest of this society prejudices. Because that is exactly what it does. I've already given a couple examples.
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CardinalJayhawk
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New topic time.
Does it bother anyone else that from a political standpoint our needing to hitchhike by the end of the year into space? It started today. By the end of the year we'll be going the way Yuri Gagarin instead of John Glenn into orbit.
If the cutbacks are made at NASA does anyone honestly think people will just sit and wait for those jobs? No, those technical people will go elsewhere.
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chevyman58
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New topic time.
Does it bother anyone else that from a political standpoint our needing to hitchhike by the end of the year into space? It started today. By the end of the year we'll be going the way Yuri Gagarin instead of John Glenn into orbit.
If the cutbacks are made at NASA does anyone honestly think people will just sit and wait for those jobs? No, those technical people will go elsewhere. |
The idea isn't primarily about spending cutbacks. The sales pitch is that free enterprise investment, performance & initiative will improve & expand the opportunities space travel & exploration provides & eventually increase spending thus contributing to the US economy.
I don't know how I feel about it yet. On one hand the Administration says the government can do a better job & on another they say private industry can. Dunno yet on space travel & exploration. |
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CardinalJayhawk
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It sounds good. Big time science just hasn't worked that way. It's taken government investment. It may get done by private companies, but not without government backing. What big science project has been developed without government backing? I can't think of one.
It sounds like a lot of money, $17B(NASA's yearly budget), but in the big picture it just isn't.
Without a clear plan Russia will dominate orbital missions and China will be the first to go back to the Moon and be the first on Mars.
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CardinalJayhawk
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Obama is at it again.
He spoke at the Cape the other day. He laid out a sketchy future for NASA. Not really a direction or solid goal. Without really setting a goal some 7500 jobs will be created by modernizing launch facilities over the next "few" years. Why? if we aren't going anywhere why do we need improved manned flight facilities?
Spending money just to spend money is wrong even if it is my favorite project. Especially if we don't have the money.
Set a goal and a time frame. Even if it's just a modest goal.
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Oberkfell3B
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I rather like his idea of "privatizing" ,manned space flight from US sights.... Those screaming that Obama is a socialists should be shocked by that goal. Basically he is giving a green-light to a new industry in the USA. I think that will promote more job growth than keeping all manned flights in-house @ NASA. NASA itself said it was "fat" and not spending money as efficiently as it should......
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CardinalJayhawk
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Here's the problem. Name a big time science project that didn't depend on Uncle Sam to foot the bill initially. Industy won't get involved until they can make show eventual profit.
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Oberkfell3B
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You're too late. There are already several companies developing rockets, and manned programs. Recall, George W. Bush signed the Commercial Space Launch Act in 2004, and several companies started up right away.
SpaceDev
Benson Space Company
Bigelow Aerospace
SpaceX (Their Falcon 1 is ready for flight now)
This Obama decision is a win-win for both the economy, and the long-term presence of the US in space..... It is free-enterprise at its purest.
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chevyman58
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| Here's the problem. Name a big time science project that didn't depend on Uncle Sam to foot the bill initially. |
Ironically, the project of men in flight was a private endeavor.
So was the discovery of electricity.
As was the invention of the light bulb.
(Or did you mean in the last 150 years?) 
The computer? The internet? |
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CardinalJayhawk
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Internet, that was DARPA, too few computers capable of running nuclear explosion simulations. It was a way of giving universities access to big computers.
The computer was a WWII(government) project for balistic trajectories.
Electricity and the light bulb were privately developed. Their application for the most part needs goverment.
Are you telling me those companies aren't getting any government backing? I would be surprised if they weren't. I would also be really surprised if it was truly new technology and not variations on old themes.
If Falcon I is ready for flight now why does NASA insist on contuing with it's own vehicle?
When the problems are finally solved I think it will look like something out of sci-fi. Chemical rockets are just too expensive($40,000/gal of water) to put things into orbit. Finding water on the moon would solve many problems. Lift things from there and the whole prospect is cheaper. Which is why not going back for a permanent base doesn't make much sense.
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