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RedbirdVA
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| no_1cardinalfan wrote: |
| atomdrums wrote: |
| edit- In some ways I'm a little surprised that Huckabee hasn't gained a little more traction on the grassroots level. He is a conservative, he is a theocrat which the fundies love (sorry, I had to take that jab), he's charismatic and funny, and he actually has put some ideas on the table. He is a very solid candidate, but he hasn't been able to translate that into any notable following as of yet. |
Huck could barely run the state of Arkansas. Do we really want him in charge of the nation? |
No worries mate, he doesn' have a chance. Rudy, Mitt, or Fred...I'm not sure which one yet. Don't really like any of them either...unfortunatley, it appears that Hillary will be the other choice and it ain't happening with me. If I'm gonna cross over for the first time ever, I wan't to see some change, not more of the same. |
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Elite1
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Location: Camarillo, CA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Al Gore is buying time. All this global warming crud is getting his name out there, without actually being in the race. He is also getting money off that documentary he directed. But I really think come November he will be in the race. That does not mean I will vote for him, I am just stating a fact. |
From what I have read, Al Gore really dislikes Hillary. Dating back to when Al was VP, yet Hillary actually had more VP duties than Al.
Here is a scenario I would love to see happen:
Hillary wins the Dem. nomination. Guiliani or another Repub. runs against her for president. Gore decides to get in the race as a Green Party candidate... Gore wouldn't win, but he would take enough votes away from Hillary to make certain a Republican wins! 
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MysticMerlin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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From what I have read, Al Gore really dislikes Hillary. Dating back to when Al was VP, yet Hillary actually had more VP duties than Al.
Here is a scenario I would love to see happen:
Hillary wins the Dem. nomination. Guiliani or another Repub. runs against her for president. Gore decides to get in the race as a Green Party candidate... Gore wouldn't win, but he would take enough votes away from Hillary to make certain a Republican wins! |
A Republican isn't winning in '08. I will take any odds if anyone wants to bet me on this.
Besides, why the heck would ANYONE want Giuliani or Romney as President? McCain isn't getting the nomination, so you are looking at one of those two as your guy. |
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athenazeuss
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| It'll be Hillary vs. Guiliani. Even the Conservative talking heads are starting to fear Hillary. It could happen, which would make 24 years, potential for 28, of a Bush or Clinton in the White House. Scary.................. |
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RedbirdVA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| A Republican isn't winning in '08. I will take any odds if anyone wants to bet me on this. |
I will take this bet on one condition: Hillary must be the nominee. If she wins the nomination (and I think she already has it in the bag) I'll take the Republican candidate no matter who it is. You underestimate much of America's disdain for Mrs. Clinton.
Edited to challenge you to a bet. If Hillary wins, I'll change my avatar to a democratic donkey from election day until the inaguration. If a Republican wins, you must change yours to a pro GOP avatar for the same amount of time. Whattya think Merlin???  |
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MysticMerlin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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I will take this bet on one condition: Hillary must be the nominee. If she wins the nomination (and I think she already has it in the bag) I'll take the Republican candidate no matter who it is. You underestimate much of America's disdain for Mrs. Clinton.
Edited to challenge you to a bet. If Hillary wins, I'll change my avatar to a democratic donkey from election day until the inaguration. If a Republican wins, you must change yours to a pro GOP avatar for the same amount of time. Whattya think Merlin??? |
Uh, my bet isn't conditional.
No matter who the Democratic nominee is, he/she will beat the Republican nominee.
I think it is ridiculous to assume Hilary has it in the bag, even if she is currently the frontrunner. Besides, I don't really think you understand what you are talking about here. If you think America's disdain (as if you could even know this, but whatever) for Hilary exceeds that for Republican leadership, you are using some serious smelling salts. All the numbers I have seen point to a Republican victory being pretty unlikely.
EDIT - But, I will take the bet for sure. I am not taking it with the "Hilary must be the nominee" condition. If you think she has it in the bag, it shouldn't matter, right? |
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atomdrums
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Atom... Come on bud! I am going to be a man and be embarrassed FOR YOU!!.
You know you are a smart guy. And I know you are a smart guy. You cannot possibly believe that I am going to sit here and listen to you say you are clueless about Hillary?
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I appreciate you being willing to fall on your sword for me. That's just the kind of dedication that I look for in a friend!  I didn't mean to sound like I was clueless about her. I have an idea about what her politics are in general. Plus, I guess I've lived with her as my 1st lady for what, 20+ years? However, when I say that I want to study a candidate, I mean that I like to really scrutinize his/her voting record, specific policy promotions, plans on how to get there and ability to maneuver politically to get what he/she wants. I just haven't scrutinized Hillary's 7 years in the Senate to that degree. When people are so adamantly against her, I'm assuming that they have done that and can tell me something about her that I don't know.
If a candidate doesn't have much of a record then you just have to use your judgment. However, it's rare when they don't have something to go on.
Does Obama really want to eliminate all private gun ownership?
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| Huck could barely run the state of Arkansas. Do we really want him in charge of the nation? |
I certainly don't want him in charge of the nation! No way. However, I'm just saying that he brings a lot to the table as far as being a good candidate.
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ABoyNamedSooie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thoughts/comments/rants on Sam Brownback?
I just looked up him up on Wikipedia, as I had heard very little about him. His views/positions seem to coincide pretty much with mine. I was just wondering about the overall consensus about him and if he stands any chance at all in the election.
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ElBirdo
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I want Barack!!!. That's all i have to say.
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MysticMerlin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thoughts/comments/rants on Sam Brownback?
I just looked up him up on Wikipedia, as I had heard very little about him. His views/positions seem to coincide pretty much with mine. I was just wondering about the overall consensus about him and if he stands any chance at all in the election. |
I don't think he has a chance at all. I don't like him, but there are plenty of worse candidates on the Republican side. |
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Elite1
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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A Republican isn't winning in '08. I will take any odds if anyone wants to bet me on this.
Besides, why the heck would ANYONE want Giuliani or Romney as President? McCain isn't getting the nomination, so you are looking at one of those two as your guy. |
I like both Guiliani and Romney, they have both been quite succesful in their public service...
Why would anyone vote for Hillary?
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theocbirdfan
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| Ron Paul is a true libertarian and he is running as a Republican. Maybe you should consider him. |
Since I'm technically still registered as a Republican, I will vote for him in the primary. But since he won't get the nomination, I'll vote Libertarian in the actual election.
If Ron Paul won the Republican nomination, I would drive to a borderline state and personally go door to door supporting him. I'd be that excited at the possibility of having someone who's philosophically Libertarian in the white house.
Okay, back to the real world. Guiliani vs Barack/Hillary? Yikes. |
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BrewCards
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Interesting enough, my drive home is lined with plain white signs with black lettering, no political fluff that flags me to completely ignore it:
Google: Ron Paul
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atomdrums
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I have a lot of respect for Ron Paul. In many ways, he is in reality what a lot of current Republicans falsely claim to be: small government, local control citizens. Personally, I think libertarianism taken to his degree would be a completely ineffective philosophy, but I honestly have a lot of respect for him and other true libertarians.
Romney is running a heckuva campaign and he is an impressive candidate in some ways. If I'm laying money on it, I'm betting that he gets the nomination. Rudy *has* to win NH if he is going to have a prayer. I'll say this about Romney: nobody who criticized Kerry for being a "flip-flopper" should even give him the time of day. This guy takes the cake for sure!
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RedbirdVA
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| EDIT - But, I will take the bet for sure. I am not taking it with the "Hilary must be the nominee" condition. If you think she has it in the bag, it shouldn't matter, right? |
I can't take it unless it's Hillary...I might actually vote for another Democrat. And yes, when I made the statement about "America's disdain" I should have said the disdain of many moderates. I base this on opinion polls...trust me, I'm not trying to spin right-wing rhetoric. |
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